Protestors Stage Kiss-In at Cuyahoga Falls Chick-Fil-A
Gay rights advocacy group GetEQUAL kiss, picket to protest Dan Cathy's stance on gay marriage.
About 50 gay rights advocates picketed at the Cuyahoga Falls Chick-Fil-A Friday night to protest the company president's stance against gay marriage.
The group, organized by members of gay rights advocacy group GetEqual, picketed and same-sex couples kissed in front of the restaurant.
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"We all know that Dan Cathy has a right to his personal beliefs and he has a right to support anti-gay organizations that seek to keep our community from getting full equality under the law, but we also have the right to protest," said Liberty Manos, who organized the local event with her partner Shannon Glatz.
The local event was one of many across the country as part of National Same-Sex Kissing Day at Chick-Fil-A, a response to comments that restaurant president Dan Cathy made to a Baptist magazine last month about gay marriage.
"We were there just to stand together and say that this kind of discrimination is not going to go unnoticed," she added.
Manos said the event went smoothly, though some drivers passing by shouted obscenities and a few customers were a little "combative."
The national event was scheduled for 8 p.m., but the Cuyahoga Falls protest ran from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Other Chick-Fil-As in the area were not as active. No one protested at the Beachwood Place Mall between 7 and 8:30 p.m., though an employee said he had seen a few couples kiss in protest, without incident, during his shift that day.
No one was spotted when local editors checked the Fairlawn, Strongsville and Mentor locations around lunchtime.
Locally, Friday's protest paled in comparison to the number of customers who patronized restaurants Wednesday in support of the company.
Area Patch sites have been buzzing about the controversy:
- In Beachwood, dozens lined up Wednesday to support the company. Most customers said that they were there because they supported Cathy's stance, his right to free speech, or both.
- Strongsville's Chick-Fil-A saw a line that stretched around the restaurant on Wednesday.
- Similarly, the line stretched out of the door in Mentor.
- And two Cuyahoga Falls Patch bloggers addressed the protest Thursday — one in support of Cathy, and one against.
TB Player
12:47 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
By changing the current definition of marriage, you open the door for Polygamists to now have the right. Brothers and Sisters could claim that love is more important than all else, and they can marry. Where do you draw the line, who do you exclude and at what point? Once Pandoras Box is opened, it cannot be closed. Gay marriage is not the ONLY alternative to Traditional marriage... If you insist it is Gay marriage only you fight for, then you are not fighting for equality or human rights. Gay Marriage Only, is exclusionary to people who would like to have other marriage rights, currently illegal. Keep that in mind...
Patty Worrells
10:26 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
How does having the right to marry someone lead to polygamy? People who marry are committing themselves to one another. What's next with you? beastiality? Oh, how about recruiting? Yeah, I've got a lot of toaster ovens!! You are so parroting what has been said for years. Know one thing... you will never stop us from loving each other.
Linda Muller
8:42 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Asking the president of Chick-Fil-A or anyone else to give someone equal rights implies they are theirs to give. Everyone needs to stop trying to deny others the rights they deserve!
James Murphy
1:01 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
this whole story is so gay :)
Adam C. Miller
3:32 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
^^^ BIGOT ^^^
Jean Williams
8:26 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Adam C Miller You have lost your sense oh humor (It was actually pretty funny)
Patty Worrells
10:27 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Jerk
Adam C. Miller
10:00 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I was joking Jean
Adam C. Miller
3:32 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I kissed Matt Kincaid at the Howe Avenue Chick-fil-A... #And-I-Liked-It
Patty Worrells
10:27 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Fantastic!
Mike
3:59 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
So what? Do you want a star on your forehead now? Kissing someone is certainly not newsworthy. Why don't you spend your time contributing more to society. Go visit a nursing home, there are plenty of lonely people there who would love to have someone to talk to.
Adam C. Miller
10:01 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Again, I was joking...
Kate Bigam
11:49 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
@Mike, why do you assume that those of us who support & protest for civil rights have no other social or political concerns? I know I do, & I'm willing to bet that others like me do, too. Just because we care about equal rights doesn't mean we don't also care about (& act on) issues like poverty.
Earl Elevant
3:37 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I'm sure CFA appreciates the plugs of their stores in the background. All publicity is good publicity.
Nice job, gays.
Patty Worrells
10:28 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Thanks Earl. We are doing a nice job and you need to learn from this: we will not back down!
Earl Elevant
12:34 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Of course not, Patty. The gay war machine is on the attack.
It's funny to watch them try so hard to be angry. Heh.
Kay McIntosh
10:22 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
TB player, i LOVE your post! Couldn't agree more!!
Patty Worrells
10:33 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Why do you think such a big crowd showed up at the Cuyahoga Falls CFA? The leadership of this city is full of holier than thou (does that sound like you??) bigots who refuse to give the same rights to its many gay & lesbian residents. We so need a new mayor. Robart has stated that he doesn't like our lifestyle. Well, Don, we're doing everything we can to see you get voted out at the next election. Oh, and Mayor, nice fireworks last night. Yeah, I can see some good in most everyone.
Adam C. Miller
10:02 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Who's running against him?
Patty Worrells
10:42 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Oh. and to answer the Patch's question, has this brought more negative energy to LGBT's and backfired? NO. We are standing together stronger than ever. The sad part of all this is that there is now a pretty large gap between LGBT's and christians. A gap that most of us didn't want to happen. HEY CUYAHOGA FALLS, MAYOR ROBERT and the rest of his possy, We need a gay pride parade in CFO and who knows, maybe one day you'll be the grand master of this parade!
Debbie S.
10:55 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Patty - be careful with your (erroneous) assumptions. There are many gay Christians - no "LGBT vs Christian" gap there! There are also many Christian denominations and straight Christian individuals that DO support marriage equality. Assuming all Christians believe the same is as bad as assuming all homosexuals believe the same, which simply promotes an "us vs them" mentality where dialogue cannot occur. No one ever changed another person's mind through hate. Both sides needs to remember this.
Mike
4:02 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Hey Patty, stop assuming and embarrassing yourself with unintelligent statements! I'm gay, Catholic, and against gay marriage. I'm not selfish enough to think that society must change the definition of what marriage has been for centuries.
Adam C. Miller
10:03 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I have Gay Christian family members.. you obviously don't speak for them lol
Kate Bigam
11:51 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Hi, Patty. I work for a community of faith that is very much in favor of equality - & we work with a number of Christians, both individually & organizationally, who are, as well. I think it's safer to say that issues like this further divide the civil rights community & the evangelical community - not Christians as a whole. There are a number of compassionate, supportive Christians out there!
Patty Worrells
10:45 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Maybe LGBT's feel this way is because most of us have been booted out of your churches!!
Debbie S.
11:10 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I am assuming from your comments ("'your' churches") that personally you are not Christian. But again, you are creating a false divide with the labels you chose to use. You and I are on the same side, so don't come out swinging at me and other Christians like me - straight and gay alike - who have a completely different opinion and perspective that the people who hold views with which you disagree.
Adam C. Miller
10:05 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
What church were you a member of and booted from?
Kristin
10:48 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
we need someone to actually run against him. i've been waiting for the opportunity to vote against him for years! *proud to honk last night, drove back and honked again!!
Shane May
10:59 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
That really means so much. We appreciated all the honks and waves we received! :)
Richard Ian Tracy
1:16 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Chick-fil-A's president has a right to say and believe whatever he wants. That isn't the problem. I support that, too. And no one is keeping anyone from eating at Chick-fil-A.
It's what the man they are all making wealthy does with his money -- supports at least one 'hate group' and a list of others that think gay people can be 'cured', should be in jail, are all paedophiles, etc. Even worse, he supports a group that is revolutionising Uganda in the worst ways & supports KILLING GAY PEOPLE. And it is happening -- in Jesus' name -- AMEN? It's not some leftist fairy tale. THAT is where your Chick-fil-A money goes.
If the owner of KFC gave $5 million to the Ku Klux Klan, would you be SILENT while people rallied around his business to "support his First Amendment rights"? Because that is exactly what this is about.
Dan Marol
3:57 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Richard-
Very well said. I also feel the President of Chick-fil-A has a right to say and believe what he wants. But when he contributes the company's money to hate groups, that is when I decide to spend my money elsewhere.
Tom O'Connor
2:19 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Patty W.,
I am offended by the tone you take, as well as the negative connotation of the term "beastiality". You hate what you don't understand: the true love that can exist between a man and his dog. My dog is no mere "beast"; she is truly special! How intolerant and narrow-minded of you!
Tom O'Connor
2:45 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
"there are no homosexuals, only homosexual acts". -Gore Vidal, RIP
Brandon Baker
3:18 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
We have deleted a few comments from this article. There's a difference between respectfully disagreeing with one another and being disrespectful. Let's stick with the former, folks.
John Deer
4:42 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
WE? have deleted a few comments from this article, or YOU have? So much for free speech!!!!!!!!!!
John Deer
4:45 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
YOU don't believe that two males kissing in full view of other men, women and children is disrespectful? I smell double standards..........................
Tom O'Connor
6:50 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I sure hope you didnt delete the many notes of congrAtulations and support for my coming out of the kennel post!
K White
8:16 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Why is it that so many people are intolerant of someone else's freedom of speech? I am of course referring to the original comment that started this nonsense. I guess speech isn't free if the opinion isn't in line with yours. Sorry but that is nonsense.
Tom O'Connor
9:15 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I think the breakdown of today's dialogue is people being intolerant to challenges to the logic of their speech. Sure, we have a right to speak; but we have a responsibility to engage in dialogue as well, if we are going to get anywhere. The simple facts: same sex relationships have been around for eons. I really think humanity has matured enough to accept them. The social contract of marriage between same-sex couples is brand new; to expect society as a whole to accept it overnight is a bit unrealistic. Review these postings... I see many challenges to the SSM rationale being rebutted with labels like BIGOT. I just wish the LGBT community and the complacent media would be sensitive and tolerant to the views of others, and i hope they will be equally tolerant when I finally gain the right to wed my beloved dog.
frompainesville
9:37 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Wait...why do I need to ACCEPT something I don't believe in because I want to live according to the Bible???!! Doesn't that take away my rights? God has given EVERYONE a choice in how they choose to live their lives but this doesn't mean I must ACCEPT gay "marriage". They should call it something else in my opinion because God called a union between a MAN and a WOMAN marriage. Homosexuality does not fall in that definition.
I love people of all nationalities, cultures and beliefs...I just don't participate in, nor accept some lifestyles. IT'S MY CHOICE.
Richard Ian Tracy
10:10 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Your dog? Really? You think two consenting adults is the same as marrying your dog? GET SOME NEW MATERIAL, YOU 1970's BIGOT. Yes, 'bigot' -- you just earned it right there. I believe you'll find the same things were said about interracial marriage. YOUR DOG. I pity your dog, frankly.
Dan Marol
11:24 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Using your dog to push your point of view is not helping your cause. It just reaffirms to the rest of modern society the desperate tactics the intolerant are trying to make to prevent two human beings from marrying one another. And by the way, society is starting to accept it more and more....you're on the losing side of history.
John McMillan
12:31 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Haha I love that line..."God called a union between a MAN and a WOMAN marriage." Where? From what fairy tale is that line taken? And why do I have to believe that as the only truth just because you say so? Have you personally read the Bible? And why is that book the last word on everything? Really, there were many types of "marriage" existing long before it was written. I just don't get what you're afraid of, to let people who love each other, commit to each other as well. I don't really care what you choose to believe, but I DO object to you trying to force me to abide by your beliefs. I think it's so hysterical that certain Christians try to claim that they are being attacked and persecuted for their beliefs...it's just ridiculous, seeing as they are always the ones trying to make everyone follow their religion (prayer in schools, anyone?). Painesville, I am not taking away any of your rights to believe in what you want; just know that I also have those rights, and the same freedom to believe in whatever I want also!
Richard Ian Tracy
10:19 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
First of all, you all seem to be forgetting that not everyone is a christian (I am not, for example) and that America is NOT a christian nation. This is not a theocracy. If you want a theocracy that badly, go to Iran -- that is a theocracy in action. It really doesn't matter what the bible says or doesn't say because it should have ZERO effect on my life or on civil law.
Secondly, I seriously invite you to explore "biblical marriage" and "traditional marriage" -- clearly you all banging on about the bible aren't reading it. To see the variety of marriages in the bible, see the link below:
http://www.project-reason.org/archive/item/the_varieties_of_biblical_marriage/
Or just Google "types of marriage in the bible". You will find a variety of marriages and references to the precise chapter & verse. *Then* tell me what you think -- it's YOUR bible. It's all there. Get it off the shelf & read it -- ALL OF IT -- not just the parts that suit your prejudice.
John Deer
12:35 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Dan Cathy I applaud you!!! Whatever you do, please don't back down on your stance just because of the Gay rights activists moaning and groaning and constantly protesting.
Richard Ian Tracy
12:45 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
And remember -- even if you round up all the gays and exterminate them in death camps, you'll just make more. YOU are the ones having the gay babies. Just sayin' ...
Jean Williams
12:46 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
just remember that if everyone became gay ..global warming would be gone in a generation
Patty Worrells
12:47 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Richard,
Just an FYI, during my long and painful journey to somehow understand why god made me defective (that is what I thought) and why he wouldn't heal me. You see I hated myself. I truly invested myself in this. I attended Moody Bible Institute, and graduated with a degree in christian counseling and bible. I even studied Greek while there and then more at Wheaton College. I was obedient for 20 years. I chose not to have a relationship during that time. I did not drink, dance, smoke or take any drugs. I did everything I was supposed to do and I still was not "healed." All of this is to say that I don't need to pick up the bible and read ALL OF IT, I've read it many times. And Richard, it is not MY bible. I put it down shortly after my pilgrimage through organized religion. I realize that I should have been using that term rather than lumping everyone in a category we call christians. So go ahead, throw a verse or a chapter or a book at me and maybe we could have an interesting debate. I spent many years studying the controversies and mysteries of the bible.
cont...
Patty Worrells
12:54 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I have since pursued a spiritual path rather than a religious one. I am not, as you assumed, a christian. I do believe that the bible is a collection of stories written by men or scribes. When the King James Version became the accepted translation, it was translated by pious egotistical white males in the 1600's. It is their opinion of how it "should" be written and what they think it said.
I'm boring myself, so I need to stop. I will not not pick up the bible and read it. In my opinion, it has no merit. When I sat the bible down and accepted myself as who I was, my life became so much better. A peace finally washed over me. I went back to school and studied counseling psychology and forensic psychology. Today I am living a life that is peaceful and much of the time very serene. I cannot tell you the people I have counseled, both gay and straight, who were hurt by religions bigots whose main goal it seemed was to remove any bit of self-esteem they had.
With that, I wish you all peace. I will stand up for my brothers, for my sisters and their lovers until the same rights apply to everyone.
Tom O'Connor
5:00 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I can't believe all the bigotry from those who plead for tolerance. For one thing, my dog is three and a half: 24 in what some would call "people" years and therefore an adult. Now, what do you mean by "consenting"? Are you saying she must speak "yes" in fluent English in order to become my bride? She certainly consents in all other respects. Why does my relationship with my dog seem to offend so many? Of course i do not compare it to a homosexual relationship; I have never been in one, so I have no basis to make the comparison. Do I have to begin one just to earn the priveledge of gaining my own rights?
Dan Marol
7:51 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I wish you and your dog many years of happiness together. Poor dog....
Tom O'Connor
7:17 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I just looked up "gay" in wikipedia. For most of its history, the word has meant happy, carefree. In the late middle ages, it adopted in some literary circles a connotation of immorality and decadence. Don't be confused into thinking that the LGBT rights movement began in the Gay Nineties. My wise nana once said "that group purloined such a wonderfully useflul word; now you have to be careful where and how you use it". Many reactionaries here would call her a bigot- I simply call it accurate insight.
Earl Elevant
12:58 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I guess I'm left wondering how a word that has meant happy in the past now describes some of the angriest people around.
Maybe it's like calling a bald guy curly...
Richard Ian Tracy
2:40 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Earl, you'd be angry, too, if you paid the same taxes as the majority but were a second-class citizen with fewer rights & privileges. DAMN RIGHT, I'M ANGRY. I am not a second-class citizen.
Earl Elevant
7:47 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
You have no fewer privileges.
A heterosexual man cannot marry another man.
A homosexual man cannot marry another man.
See, we have the same rights.
Richard Ian Tracy
7:55 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Thank you, Bubba Earl.
Is that from the Book of Beavis or the Book of Butthead?
Earl Elevant
12:22 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Sorry Tracy. It's just the way the law is written.
It's fact.
Tom O'Connor
10:40 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Thanks Dan but your wish for my happiness rings false. Perhaps you veil your true feeling; that which I speak of is an affront to your sense of morality and logic, and you offer your post in the hope that I will stop my in-your-face ranting and quietly go away. Hey, isn't that kind of like those caring, tolerant Chick-fil-A managers offering water to the very people who are protesting their right to earn a living? Well, as long as hypocrisy exists, I will be here to challenge it!!
Dan Marol
2:56 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Like I said, Tom, you and people like you are on the wrong side of history. You can go on and on all you want. I take comfort in knowing that people like you who are intolerant of others because of their lifestyle are a dying breed. Good luck with your cause!
Tom O'Connor
7:13 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
OK Dan, that's great. but are you going to reply or even acknowledge anything in the posting to which you are replying? You say I am "on the wrong side of history". What the hell does that mean? Are you really going to bring up the psychotic Roman emperor Nero's marriage to a slave? What the hell do you mean? Are you going to respond to my claim of hypocrisy at all? Will you at least address the fallacy that you claim exists in my argument? Or will you follow suit with the others and simply label me intolerant and a dying breed?
Dan Marol
8:05 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Tom, your post doesn't make much sense, so there's not much to say. You say that I am hoping that you will just stop your ranting and go away. I say don't go....you're actually helping the cause, but not in the way you assume. You bring up the managers offering free water to the protesters.....ok, and??? What the hell are you talking about?
If you don't know what it means to be on the wrong side of history, I will have to explain. Society is progressing whether you like it or not. SSM is going to happen eventually nation-wide, and you will lose your battle....that's what it means. The younger generations are more and more progressive in their beliefs with regards to SSM, so your generation and its outdated beliefs are dying off. Get it?
Bottom line: SSM does not affect my marriage with my wife. I don't know why it affects yours!
Tom O'Connor
7:17 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Here are some links Dan:
http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-kiss-164759658.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/312377
Today's self-titled progressives are on the wrong side of history Dan. In every protest, they always come out looking foolish. All of their grand plans for a great society bring everyone to ruin. And, they always blatantly ignore their own hypocrisy, and insist their way is the only way.
Tom O'Connor
10:45 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Incidentally, Mike of 4:02 on Saturday, I applaud your stance! I'm surprised no one on this post has branded you a "traitor to the cause"! Keep up the good word!
Jean Williams
10:57 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I really could care less inf someone is gay or not, what bothers me is the extent some people will go to amplify it into everyone elses face, and to clarify what I am saying (non-gay couples) do not have to protest and kiss on que to prove themselves, so why do SOME (not all) gays have to run around and act like fools for the camera to prove what ?? they are flamboyant qwerky
Look I get it your proud of being gay ...so what just leave us alone (straight and gay alike) you give us a headache
James Murphy
4:50 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
jean your point is one of the few that makes any sense
Tom O'Connor
11:09 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Jean, good point. I think it goes back to the etymology of the label "gay". I suspect the activist movement latched onto that word because of the connotation it held: extravagance and decadence. They wanted a sort of in-your-face brand to shake things up, and the term just stuck, unfortunately. Once every state in the union grants SSM, will they retreat from that radical strategy? Most likely not until every school district in the nation adopts a curriculum that not only embraces, but promotes, the lifestyle. I'm with you- interpersonal relationships of others are none of my busiiness. Why does the LGBT community insist on making it so?
Richard Ian Tracy
2:49 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Being gay just *is* ... it's not a "lifestyle". Gay people's "lifestyles" are as varied as any other group in society. Do you harp on about "the black lifestyle" or the "tall lifestyle"?
As for "promoting", no one needs to "promote" gayness. Again -- it just *is*. It's a facet of nature and will continue no matter what you do. Your child is gay or not -- nothing you do will change that -- you might psychologically damage or shame your child but if he or she is gay then that's the just way it is. And if you convince them to pretend to be straight, all you're really doing is ruining not only his or her life but the life of his or her eventual wife or husband (ie, married to a gay person pretending to be straight). How does that help anyone or benefit society?
Finally, TOM -- you really need to get some new material or just shut the frack up. "Marrying your dog", "promoting", "the gay lifestyle", etc ... this is not the 1970s. Society has moved on. Please catch up. And if you want to try to be funny or clever, at least come up with something new & actually amusing.
Nikki Ferrell
5:23 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
We've deleted some comments for use of profane language. Please keep it clean and respectful.
Tom O'Connor
11:12 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Incidentally, Jean, what's the global warming connection? I'm intrigued.
Tom O'Connor
11:31 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
And don't get me wrong, i'm all for the anti-bullying initiative; but believe me, there are some other initiatives coming down the pike that would make any parent of young children cringe. I misquoted Vidal earlier- he said "There are no homosexual or heterosexual persons, only homosexual and heterosexual acts", but the gist of it was intact. If the LGBT community keeps identifying itself by the act, in using the term "gay" with the connotation of decadant historically implied, how the hell are we supposed to explain all this to our six-year-olds?
Richard Ian Tracy
2:56 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
"If the LGBT community keeps identifying itself by the act" - Which act is that? What the hell are you talking about?
"[H]ow the hell are we supposed to explain all this to our six-year-olds?" - What is "all this"? You don't really explain "all this" of any relationship -- straight or gay - to a six-year-old. I certainly hope you don't talk about sex with your wife, girlfriend, mistress or [in your case] abused dog with a six-year-old child!
When/if addressing questions about a same-sex couple, why not just say something like: "Bob & Michael are a couple who love each other very much and share a life just like mommie & daddy."?
Not wildly difficult or complicated, is it?
Tom O'Connor
3:23 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Richard, Do you have a reading disability? Again, the LGBTs forced the issue by adopting the connotative word "GAY", which forces the question, what does gay mean? which forces the question, "Shouldn't ALL people be happy?" which forces the question, "What makes a person "gay" as opposed to a person who is simply happy?" which then forces a whole can of worms that I simply don't want to get into with a six year old. Obviously you don't have kids and don't know how inquisitive they can be. If you want to send me a link on how to explain same-sex marriage to my kids, great. I'd be glad to read it after you read the multitude of literature that has been written as to why this issue is tearing apart the very fabric of American society!
Richard Ian Tracy
3:39 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Tom, call me a homosexual if you like -- that is fine. "Gay" is the term that evolved into our modern dialect. I'm sorry if you'd have preferred "faggot" or "dyke". It is not my responsibility and is not remotely relevant to anything being discussed here.
You are wasting my time and going off on wild, unimportant tangents about words & etymology -- and I don't doubt one bit that it is intentional.
Why "gay"? It's not for me to say. Black people are not "black" -- they are brown. Would you like to shove that distraction into this debate as well?
Richard Ian Tracy
3:46 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
" ... tearing apart the very fabric of American society!"
I BLAME THE WELSH!
It makes about as much sense as anything YOU are saying at this point.
Society evolves & changes. Always has. If it did not, people like you would still be burning "witches", hanging innocent black men from trees and keeping women "in the kitchen where they belong".
If nations don't evolve & adjust, they fall. You see yourself as wildly clever -- get yourself a history book or a political science book and see for yourself.
Tom O'Connor
5:48 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Richard, I'm sorry if you read something hateful in my posts. Actually, I'm not, because nothing hateful was intended. I have no hate in my heart. There are obviously some here that do, as evident by the post deletions of yesterday (notice none of mine have been deleted). i am actually a very amiable, non-intrusive person, and really do not necessarily object to SSM. All I'm saying is, be prepared for some resistance, and if you keep resorting to ad hominem attacks (BIGOT, et al) you will get nowhere. My intention was to play devil's advocate here, nothing more. It's obvious that the LGBT community needs to hone its message (and maybe grow up a little) before it realizes its full potential. By the way, when it has achieved normalcy, what then?
Tom O'Connor
12:10 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
If one does not align himself with being "gay" does that mean one is not happy? In the eyes of the LGBT, it certainly seems so.
Tom O'Connor
2:33 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
And one more thing--- to those of you who don't think SSM will lead to polygamy, please see:
Constantine, Larry and Joan (1974). Group Marriage: A Study of Contemporary Multilateral Marriage. Collier Books. ISBN 0-02-075910-X, 978-0020759102.
Emens, Elizabeth F. (2004). "Monogamy's Law: Compulsory Monogamy and Polyamorous Existence". New York University Review of Law & Social Change 29 (2): 277.
Again, where as a society do we draw the line?
Richard Ian Tracy
3:05 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Draw the line at "two consenting adults".
Two people of the age of consent committing to a shared life together is not a threat to anyone -- it is actually of a HUGE benefit to society.
The right of civil marriage for same-sex couples *IS* going to happen -- I suggest you deal with it and catch up with the rest of the modern world.
You do NOT have to like it. It does NOT have to happen in your place of "worship". It need NOT be sanctioned by the imaginary deity of your choice. All of that is just fine!
But as far as civil law, taxation, benefits, rights & privileges go, I assure you, again, that legal marriage rights for all adult couples will become law.
[NOTE: I really hate the term "gay marriage". It's not a gay marriage -- it's a marriage. I won't "gay marry" any more than I "gay park my car" or "gay clean the house".]
Tom O'Connor
3:32 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Great, Richard, Then tell me when polygamy, inter-sibling, and inter-species marriage will become law (with the approval of the so-tolerant left and their well-funded media, of course) and we can have a drink the achievement of our great society. Again, I question you r reading skills. Never in my posts did I use the term "Gay Marriage". Again I say, that word has been stolen from the English language and is now a leftist label and taboo to everyone else!!! Man + Dog
Tom O'Connor
2:53 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Wow Either the spiteful, hateful, vindictive comments of the left were expunged (once again, as they cannot engage in logical debate and resort to ad hominem attack) or I've left my audience speechlesss. Sorry, Patch!
Richard Ian Tracy
3:10 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Tom -- Most people can't be bothered to 'debate' someone going on about marrying his dog! You failed to realise you lost the debate when you went down that road.
Also, most people probably don't have time to comment on Patch 24/7 -- I have to do my "gay chores", wash my "gay dishes", do my "gay laundry" and watch my "gay Netflix" -- not to mention the heap of "gay kale" I need to wash & shred.
Alex White
5:20 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Classic narassistic tendencies with a pinch of melodrama-- or, as The Magnificent Madame M might shrill-- "Drama Queen!" Just move to West Hollywood...nobody will even notice. It's sunny, permissive, not staunchly-dreary Ohio, and you'll just be. "Never say never." Reductio ad dog-absurdum was rather clever; much more interesting than the other angst-- a hijack like no other. Although, in all fairness, you weren't bad either-- classic in fact. That being said, gotta run and do my not-gay shopping before my gay and not-gay friends arrive at my not-completely-gay, non-denominational, agnostic, atheist Sunday barbecue, On the menu-- eunuch short ribs, a celibate garden salad, asexual corn-on-the-cob, all washed down with icy cold Macho Man IPA's-- 6.2%-- and perhaps a few Cabana Boy Rum Sunsets. Later, instead of using the vomitorium to make our escape from this Theater of the Absurd, or relaxing in the steamy comfort and dark anonymity of The Baths, we're going to instead watch Curiosity descend onto the Mars' surface in search of not-gay or gay life-- perhaps both-- or, at the least, evidence of such. (Humorless people need not reply)
Tom O'Connor
3:45 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
"Most people can't be bothered to 'debate' someone going on about marrying his dog! "
Again Richard, another poster revealing his ignorance and intolerance of an alternative lifestyle.
Tom O'Connor
3:53 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
This all goes back to the original poster TB who pointed out the legalities of redefining marriage. No one has yet to offer a cogent argument as to why marrying my dog is any less legitimate in legal terms than marrying another man. Again, before you let the BIGOT label fly, think about it.
Richard Ian Tracy
4:02 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Non-humans cannot enter into legal contracts -- marriages included. That is why marrying your dog is less legitimate in legal terms than marrying another man.
Marriages under civil law and biblical law have been "redefined" and have evolved many times throughout history and including America -- I encourage you to re-read my posts and see the links I've already suggested on that precise issue.
Tom O'Connor
5:22 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
At the risk of garnering the label BIGOT, blacks at one point were prohibited from entering into contracts; for the past 150 years or so it's been no problem. Does that mean there is still hope for me and my dog? If you ask me "how can you compare human rights to dog rights?" then take it up with Sarah McLaughlin, et al. Did you read my post addressing the B in LGBT? BI means TWO, right? Don't these folks have marriage rights as well?
Tom O'Connor
4:00 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
And Richard, get a smartphone. With push notifications I can respond while doing my hetero-laundry, paying my hetero-bills, watching straight porn, and walking my currently virginal dog (since society won't let us consummate our union as you intolerant bigots won't validate it).
Richard Ian Tracy
4:06 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Honestly, I cannot afford a SmartPhone. I don't get the straight people marriage benefits & tax breaks you do.
Tom O'Connor
5:33 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Richard, under current tax law, unless as a couple you have a child tax credit, there are no tax benefits; in fact, married couples who file jointly above a certain income bracket may lose more money than otherwise. Also, my employer recently revoked the full reimbursement for the family plan option as they found out my wife took a buyout from her job's health plan. I have no doubt the cause is a combination of increased same-sex health plans and Obamacare. Thank you all so much!
John H.
2:48 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Honestly, If you are that concerned about somebody else's (esp. a stranger) marriage or relationship or life, that gives the rest of us an idea on how bad your life is.
It truly speaks to your own jealousy and/or insecurity. People who are happy with what they have don't feel the need to point out other people in that fashion.